Usually the country that invades another country is the bad guy — unless it’s the United States doing the invading.
And generally the winners write the history!
Nazis are always Nazis. Even in Ukraine where not all are innocent angels.
This is the first time I have seen, in popular culture, that there has been any reference to the neo-Nazis in the Ukrainian army. Nice one Darrin.
This is what comes of “lazy journalism” that depends on questionable sources of information just to write politically fashionable columns. Proclamations from Russian national sources — from Putin, his officials, and media such as RT —should be scrutinized objectively, not taken at face value.
The situation in Ukraine, indeed in all countries surrounding Russia, is historically complex. But it is generally safe to say that from the 18th Century onward, Russia has been the clear military aggressor. In building a large czarist empire, it has trampled surrounding governments and ethnic enclaves and politically absorbed the remains.
So Russian repelled the World War Two Nazis and has celebrated the victory since then. But does not its Ukraine invasion use the worst of Nazi Germany’s propaganda and military tactics? Aren’t Russia’s military tactics in Syria as well as Ukraine a prime example of Blitzkrieg?
Enough sermonizing. My ancestors came from areas surrounding Russia, including Ukraine, so I’ve taken special interest in the historical and current politics. This new wave of Russian aggression is predictably once again a source of comfortable speculation by many political observers from afar.
And yet these neo Nazis are dying while defending Ukraine.
Ted Rall has also mentioned this a couple of times since the invasion but Lemont is right, it is rarely brought up. I guess the consensus is “the lesser of 2 evils”.
I personally am fearful of the way this is going to end , because there is no compassion at all . A " rocket " in a civilian shopping mall ? : (
Because, just like there are neo-Nazis in the US, it doesn’t justify subjugating every Ukrainian. Did your 2018 investigation conclude that the country was predominantly Nazi? Should the US be taken over because there are Neo-Nazi’s here? Would it be OK if your home, your little boy, and your friends were all blown up because there are undesirable groups, undesirable political movements within our country?
Of course, neo-nazis have also been infiltrating America’s armed forces and that’s not getting a lot of coverage either….
For years now, I’ve been reading about neo-Nazis infiltrating national armed forces. It’s not just Ukraine, it’s not just the US. It’s also Russia, Canada, the UK — everywhere that there are people who identify with Europe or Europe-adjacent nations, there are neo-Nazis. And they are infiltrating all the places that you’d think neo-Nazis would like to be, because that’s what people do. They take the jobs they want to be in. Armed forces, police, prison guards — wherever they get to play with guns, order people around, and beat them up.
Yes, there are neo-Nazis in Ukrainian armed forces. No, Russia is not “liberating” Ukraine from the neo-Nazis, that’s just an excuse. Russia is imperialistic and expansionistic. That is why they are invading.
As I when this all began, Ukraine’s leaders are far from being angels, but at least they haven’t invaded another country.
If you want something to worry about, neo-nazis helped elect the previous U.S. president.
AH Bell, that is what happens when you are part of a mob of crocodiles. Eventually the crocodile eats you…..
Many good comments today. Have a sunny day my friends.
So Lemont is the reason the anti totalitarian forces of benevolent leader Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine and killed so many people?
The sands shift around enemies of our enemies. AntiRussians welcomed Nazis, antiNazis welcomed Russians. Russia has historically been strong on defense because you had to slog through Ukraine to get there. Muddy farms are great for crops, not for heavy machinery.
This is the second strip Darrin has done recently that sets up Susan as having a simplistic reaction to an argument Darrin is trying to make through Lemont. As the commentators have shown today this is a far more complex situation than Lemont is presenting.
We didn’t forget about it, it’s just not pertinent to Ukraine getting invaded by Russia. Are the majority of Ukrainians Nazis? I doubt it given they elected a Jewish President. Is anyone in the USA concerned about a lot of Nazis infiltrating our armed forces? I sure am.
Ukraine has long been known as “the breadbasket of Europe”. Not this year. And of course the people who will suffer the (second) most as a result will be the Russians. And of course Putin will blame the food shortages on anybody but himself.
Neo-Nazis, bad. Unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country under the guise of rooting out neo-Nazism, worse. Pretty simple.
Neo-Nazis have infiltrated the US military too . . . Some are being created in the US military
As I understand it the Azov(?) Brigade was a right wing militia with some neo Nazi elements and when the Russians invaded Crimea in 2014 they stepped into resist at a time that Ukraine’s military was weak and its government ineffective at best corrupt at worst. The Brigade was critical to the Ukrainians retaking Mariupol when it was occupied in 2014. Later the Brigade was loosely incorporated into the Ukraine military. But as far as I know they have not really tried to force their ideology on the military or pursue any political policy. If anything they have become less influential as the Ukraine military has gotten stronger and more professional. So they are unlike the threat that right wing white supremacist in the U S military that use the armed forces as a training ground and are clearly itching for a white Christian nation coup or to start a race war. Of course this history should be talked about rather than swept under the rug. But I still think Russia used it as a pretext for its own aggressions and they weren’t saving anyone from any real threat from Neo Nazis.
What did Susan mean by “Putin’s Puppet. Shame on you!”?
Gee, I guess we need to get all the neo-nazis out of America’s armed forces too!
I guarantee you there are neo-Nazis in the United States Armed Forces. I don’t think that’s a valid reason for another country to start bombing our maternity wards. They’re two separate issues, and the second one is kind of bigger than the first one, so that’s the one we are paying attention to right now.
Darrin Bell and Theron Heir