I was raised in a progressive Republican household where I was told of TR’s lament that “In God, we trust” on money was sacrilege, and that “under God” was wrong when added to the pledge of allegiance as it nullified “indivisible”.
It is sad that the people were not given the chance to vote on such a matter as in so many states the legislators vote as they wish or have been paid to do be darned, the editors said that in free speech America I could not use that naughty word, geesh America is losing freedoms and here we are worrying about naughty words, what are we 5? Oh well.
Because I have always lived near Chicago, the pinnacle of culture would be the Art Institute of Chicago, the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, and the Lyric Opera of Chicago. To the East of Illinois, Indiana contained our country cousins whose pinnacle of culture was watching loud cars go around in a circle at the Indianapolis 500.
I see that the Church sign is above the State sign.
(“Crossroads of America” is a motto commonly used here in Indiana.)
As regards the recent vote on abortion, it may be worth noting that a few GOP members of the legislature opposed this bill. In addition, some money was included to address “family” issues such as adoption, prenatal care, and other support services. However, given Indiana’s poor record for these things in the past, high mortality rates for mothers and infants, these provisions, although better than nothing, are yet too little, too late. Lilly and Cummins have both pushed back against the bill, and other entities may choose to respond, as well. I expect that their may be legal challenges coming. The rational for the bill was about 99.44% religious based emotion. But this is no surprise. I have yet to see a cogent “pro-life” argument based on empirical science and jurisprudence instead of “christian” hand wringing. Holding an anti-abortion position is not the same thing as holding a pro-life position, which the Indiana legislature, with this harbinger of similar future laws in other states, has proved in spades.)
TAX THE CHURCHES!! They want to be a Political Action Committee? Then let them follow the SAME RULES as everyone else!!!
Political parties; campaign committees for candidates for federal, state or local office; and political action committees are all political organizations subject to tax under IRC section 527.
Section 527 organizations are generally required to file one or more of the following:
An initial noticePeriodic reports on contributions and expendituresAnnual income tax returns andAnnual information returns
I remember when there was a so-called “Value Voters” summit during the 2016 campaign, the Duck Dynasty guy (Phil Robertson) offered to baptize tЯц☠p. As he put it: “If you really want to see something wild, film it, Donald, film me baptizing you. The left-wingers will literally go crazy and the evangelicals will swarm you like a mighty thrall because then we would know we have God on our side.” I think the Duck Guy is wandering around the swamps, now, talking to the ’gators.
Yeah. Because “everyone knows” only card-carrying “Value Voters” and Talibangelicals have exclusive dibbs on patriotism and religion, with an inside track to heaven, right? Ya want proof? Look at how many Republican candidates have been told by “God” that they needed to run for office or commanded them to do something. And the Governor of KY said in that same “Value Voters” summit that “blood should be spilled at the tree of freedom” if tЯц☠p lost the election. What’s next, an outright seditious call for an insurrection in the name of “God”?
“Mark my words, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] Party, and they’re sure to do so, it’s going to be a terrible dåmn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”
one might study history and possibly learn something.“Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.” : There is nothing I dread so much as the division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our constitution. ( John Adams). The founding fathers were very intelligent well studied and thoughtful men. They were not off the cuff tweeters.
RAGs 6 months ago
But only one church is allowed …
Concretionist 6 months ago
State’s rights trump the constitution. SCROTUS says so!
knutdl 6 months ago
Separation of church and state: “Give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’s.” (Mark 12:17) Who said that? (OMG)
superposition 6 months ago
I was raised in a progressive Republican household where I was told of TR’s lament that “In God, we trust” on money was sacrilege, and that “under God” was wrong when added to the pledge of allegiance as it nullified “indivisible”.
ncrist 6 months ago
separation of the two would guarantee that everyone is guided by their own morality
Brockie 6 months ago
It is sad that the people were not given the chance to vote on such a matter as in so many states the legislators vote as they wish or have been paid to do be darned, the editors said that in free speech America I could not use that naughty word, geesh America is losing freedoms and here we are worrying about naughty words, what are we 5? Oh well.
For a Just and Peaceful World 6 months ago
Because I have always lived near Chicago, the pinnacle of culture would be the Art Institute of Chicago, the Chicago Symphony Orchestra, and the Lyric Opera of Chicago. To the East of Illinois, Indiana contained our country cousins whose pinnacle of culture was watching loud cars go around in a circle at the Indianapolis 500.
FreyjaRN Premium Member 6 months ago
It’s a fine idea. Too bad the Rethugliecons don’t agree.
akachman Premium Member 6 months ago
Indiana: continuing it’s decent backwards.
A# 466 6 months ago
I see that the Church sign is above the State sign.
(“Crossroads of America” is a motto commonly used here in Indiana.)
As regards the recent vote on abortion, it may be worth noting that a few GOP members of the legislature opposed this bill. In addition, some money was included to address “family” issues such as adoption, prenatal care, and other support services. However, given Indiana’s poor record for these things in the past, high mortality rates for mothers and infants, these provisions, although better than nothing, are yet too little, too late. Lilly and Cummins have both pushed back against the bill, and other entities may choose to respond, as well. I expect that their may be legal challenges coming. The rational for the bill was about 99.44% religious based emotion. But this is no surprise. I have yet to see a cogent “pro-life” argument based on empirical science and jurisprudence instead of “christian” hand wringing. Holding an anti-abortion position is not the same thing as holding a pro-life position, which the Indiana legislature, with this harbinger of similar future laws in other states, has proved in spades.)
Odon Premium Member 6 months ago
Indiana right wingers demonstrating they too can respond to a bell.
Zebrastripes 6 months ago
This isn’t over. Yet!
mourdac Premium Member 6 months ago
It’s too bad that history and civics are ignored by so many in the U.S.
davidthoms1 6 months ago
Those who try to mix Government and religion fail at both. Christian Nationalists are neither Christians nor Patriots!
More Coffee Please! 6 months ago
Those who cannot remember the past… Are a$$holes.
Display 6 months ago
The separation between theocratic religion and state has become the union of “church” (so much more like a very warped cult of theocrats) and hate.
Masterskrain Premium Member 6 months ago
The Republican Christaliban wants a Theocracy where EVERYONE HAS TO WORSHIP THEIR GOD! PERIOD!!!
brwydave Premium Member 6 months ago
IT’S THE HIGHWAY TO HEAVEN????
rlaker22j 6 months ago
Republicans have been reading up on the Spanish Inquisition
Lola85 Premium Member 6 months ago
Since religions are becoming more political (i.e, SCOTUS), then maybe it’s time to get rid of their tax-exempt status.
Not the Smartest Man On the Planet -- Maybe Close Premium Member 6 months ago
But not in a good way…
charliekane 6 months ago
The business community backed up Mike Pence a few years ago on a different but similar issue. This time, it didn’t work.
Masterskrain Premium Member 6 months ago
TAX THE CHURCHES!! They want to be a Political Action Committee? Then let them follow the SAME RULES as everyone else!!!
Political parties; campaign committees for candidates for federal, state or local office; and political action committees are all political organizations subject to tax under IRC section 527.
Section 527 organizations are generally required to file one or more of the following:
An initial noticePeriodic reports on contributions and expendituresAnnual income tax returns andAnnual information returnstee929 6 months ago
Church is also a ONE WAY street.
Zuhlamon Premium Member 6 months ago
I remember when there was a so-called “Value Voters” summit during the 2016 campaign, the Duck Dynasty guy (Phil Robertson) offered to baptize tЯц☠p. As he put it: “If you really want to see something wild, film it, Donald, film me baptizing you. The left-wingers will literally go crazy and the evangelicals will swarm you like a mighty thrall because then we would know we have God on our side.” I think the Duck Guy is wandering around the swamps, now, talking to the ’gators.
Yeah. Because “everyone knows” only card-carrying “Value Voters” and Talibangelicals have exclusive dibbs on patriotism and religion, with an inside track to heaven, right? Ya want proof? Look at how many Republican candidates have been told by “God” that they needed to run for office or commanded them to do something. And the Governor of KY said in that same “Value Voters” summit that “blood should be spilled at the tree of freedom” if tЯц☠p lost the election. What’s next, an outright seditious call for an insurrection in the name of “God”?
“Mark my words, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] Party, and they’re sure to do so, it’s going to be a terrible dåmn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know, I’ve tried to deal with them.”
- Barry Goldwater
klbdds 6 months ago
one might study history and possibly learn something.“Our constitution was made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.” : There is nothing I dread so much as the division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our constitution. ( John Adams). The founding fathers were very intelligent well studied and thoughtful men. They were not off the cuff tweeters.