Michael Ramirez for February 06, 2022

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    ncrist  almost 2 years ago

    This is true.

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    baroden Premium Member almost 2 years ago

    “Race” is a construct. There are only humans. That hasn’t stopped one set of humans for using demographic labels (race, religion, sex, economic class, ethnicity, sexual orientation, etc.) as a means to suppress and kill that hated group. It’s human nature, unfortunately. We hate. We kill. Dig deep enough and you’ll find greed is the reason. It’s the most humanistic trait there is.

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    Vidrinath Premium Member almost 2 years ago

    Mike how CONtroversial of you! So many of your followers deny that ever happened. I expect to see some of them show up here to change the subject

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    barjean58  almost 2 years ago

    Oh, leave Whoopie out of it!

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    Stephen Runnels Premium Member almost 2 years ago

    Conservatives have adopted that christian based legal framework of persecution to include any non-white, female, biblically-gendered non-conformist to that ideology.

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    ideations  almost 2 years ago

    What about the slaughtered Poles?

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    Zebrastripes  almost 2 years ago

    I personally knew two Jews who were in concentration camps and survived! They showed me the tattoo of numbers in their arm….so sad to think humans treat other humans like garbage…sick, evil minds.

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    magicwalnut Premium Member almost 2 years ago

    Which was what Whoopi was saying…she just got race mixed up with skin color.

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    wildthing  almost 2 years ago

    Every fascist needs a scapegoat. Right wing propagandists like Ramirez never stop searching for the next outrage.

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    Judge Magney  almost 2 years ago

    But aren’t there very fine people on both sides of that argument?

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    SClark55 Premium Member almost 2 years ago

    Call me naïve, but there used to be 3 races, each with clear, visible differences: Caucasian, black, oriental. There wasn’t really a question of source, or the “first” person (or couple) of each of the 3 races. Of course the 3 races could, and did, and will continue to blend.

    Apparently, in 1935, Germany under Hitler’s leadership decided that a race could be defined as everyone who could trace their roots back to a Caucasian named Jacob. But some hundreds of years later, many of Jacob’s descendants became Christians. These were RELIGIOUS choices. (They moved from Moses & the prophets to Jesus Christ.) These new Christians quickly realized that they could include any and all people in their religion. Hitler hated people who chose to KEEP the Jewish religion and culture (or who were simply born into it). (Culture has always been determined, to some extent, by a society’s religion, or lack of religion.)

    And I think it’s worth pointing out that people can (and have always been able to) convert to the religion and culture of Judaism, of their own free will. Furthermore, of course, Jews can and do convert to Christianity.

    Hitler got what he deserved for his hatred and treatment of many segments of humanity, but we need not call this segment a race, as he did. If nothing else, it’s ignorant, inaccurate. We may consider someday the big question of WHY he called them a race, but the fact remains, Hitler hated them for their religion, and maybe more so for their culture, despite calling them a race.

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    PatL Premium Member almost 2 years ago

    There is only one race! The Human race. Skin tone comes from where your ancestors lived and its effects from the sun. A person’s linage is from their ancestor’s home area not from their physical characteristics. Quick asking what race a person is; there is only one answer. Human race!

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    MG  almost 2 years ago

    Seems confusing to overlap the broad definitions of “race”, “ethnicity”, “heritage”, “linage”, “history”, “skin color”, “faith”, and “religion” to construct a tight argument for or against what Whoopi said or meant to say. Like the word “faith”; the speaker and the listener will pull out pieces of an almost nebulous concept for a precise personalized definition to form meaning for an argument. Here we are arguing with tools of smoke to bolster concise preconceived opinions but alas, weak arguments. My opinion is that she is not particularly anti-semitic. History (before Republicans rewrite it) relates that Hitler did not have a high opinion of Jews, or, of black people either. I expect Whoopi kept both in mind when she spoke of the Holocaust. Ramirez is correct that “race” is not limited to black and white. The word is now so wide and misused that it can mean almost anything and be a universal weapon for both attack or defense. Ramirez has used it for attack.

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    SClark55 Premium Member almost 2 years ago

    Judaism isn’t a race, it’s a religion, and its followers have built a society largely based on it. Why did Hitler call it a race? And why do we continue the same when speaking of him? We don’t need to SEPARATE Jews from the rest of us. There are 3 races, and they all blend more now, but religions generally don’t blend; they’re joined or left. (& non-Jews can join the Jewish religion, even if they’re not white.) Maybe this is just a matter of words, but didn’t Hitler have some reason for calling Jews a race? & I don’t think it was a good reason.

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    SClark55 Premium Member almost 2 years ago

    Judaism isn’t a race, it’s a religion, and its followers have built a society largely based on it. Why did Hitler call it a race? And why do we continue the same when speaking of him? We don’t need to separate Jews from the rest of us. There are 3 races, and they all blend more now, but religions generally don’t blend; they’re joined or left, and furthermore, non-Jews can join the Jewish religion, even if they’re not white. Maybe this is just a matter of words, but didn’t Hitler have some reason for calling Jews a race? & I don’t think it was a good reason.

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    Radish the wordsmith  almost 2 years ago

    WATCH: White supremacists chant ‘Jews will not replace us’ in Charlottesville

    Vice News Tonight airs new footage from the neo-Nazi rally in Virginia on Friday, showing marchers chanting racist slogans, including anti-Semitic ones.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5003402,00.html

    Woman killed in Charlottesville, Virginia car attack identified

    “Heather Heyer was murdered while protesting against hate,” the page reads.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/heather-heyer-charlottesville-virginia-car-attack/

    Apr 27, 2019 · Jacquelyn Martin/AP President Donald Trump maintained he “answered perfectly” when he said there were “very fine people on both sides” of clashes at a white supremacist rally

    The driver was convicted in a state court for the first-degree murder of 32-year-old Heather Heyer, eight counts of malicious wounding, and hit and run, and was sentenced to life in prison plus an additional 419 years in July 2019.

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    ncorgbl  almost 2 years ago

    Since when do we acknowledge, let alone accept, definitions, law or actions made by Nazi Germany?

    If Ramirez wants to recognize the 1935 Nuremberg Race Laws then is he saying that all the rest of Nazi Germany’s laws should apply in the U.S. today? Or is this just another in a long line of conservative ‘pick-and-choose’ what laws we obey because we like them, and what laws we won’t obey because we don’t like them?

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    braindead Premium Member almost 2 years ago

    Trump Disciple Ramirez again implying that he believes racism to be a bad thing.

    At least he’s admitting the holocaust happened.

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    Drgnslr Premium Member almost 2 years ago

    I hope this doesn’t blow Whoopi’s chance for a Supreme Court nomination.

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    quixotic3  almost 2 years ago

    Ummm…you know that the Nazis were totally wrong about that whole construct of race, doncha Mike? Right? Right???

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    AndrewSihler  almost 2 years ago

    The term “race” is difficult to define. Canadians conventionally refer to French Canadians and the other kind as different “races”, or they used to. Maybe no more, at least if race is understood to be mainly about skin color. The Nazis and others referred to a “Jewish race” but that expression is quite without meaning, like “Catholic race” or “Irish race”. (NB in much of the 19th cent. there was considerable discussion about whether the Irish were Homo sapiens at all.)

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    RAGs  almost 2 years ago

    Rep. Paul Gosar, R. Arizona, was trying to recruit Holocaust deniers for the republican party where they would fit in well with a number of politicians of similar stripe.

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    RAGs  almost 2 years ago

    For those speaking of Jews as “race”:

    Cultural anthropologists separate people by the language they spoke not by religion. Among the ancient peoples the “Semitic peoples” included Aramaeans, Phoenicians, the Akkadians, the Hebrews as well as others from that part of the world who spoke languages derived from the same source. Those who disparaged Judaism had to find some way to direct the hatred by others at those they did not like.

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    XtopherSD  almost 2 years ago

    Tardy to the party, eh Mikey. Didn’t bother to include anything she has said since about growing understanding. Just like a conservative to think, just like them, no one can learn a lesson.

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    Kurtass Premium Member almost 2 years ago

    Fake news.

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    Ammosexual  Premium Member almost 2 years ago

    Woopi is a big pile of steaming Garbage. Fire her now ABC.

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    mysterysciencefreezer  almost 2 years ago

    Why do I doubt you’d be this somber and serious about Whoopi’s statement if Liz Hasselbeck or Megan McCain would’ve said

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    Night-Gaunt49[Bozo is Boffo]  almost 2 years ago

    Also add the other forgotten ones numbering 6 more million including the mentally ill, the physically malformed, communists and socialists, homosexuals and Romany among any others the Nazis considered an enemy of their belief system.

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    twclark  almost 2 years ago

    Brilliant !

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    randolini Premium Member almost 2 years ago

    All this race stuff is bullshit. There is only one race and it’s the human race, skin color doesn’t change that.

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