Non Sequitur by Wiley Miller for February 28, 2010

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    kreole  almost 14 years ago

    Earl….it doesn’t matter if you’re right or not. She’s a step ahead of you.

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    yyyguy  almost 14 years ago

    ain’t they always? (in their minds at least?)

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    ejcapulet  almost 14 years ago

    Can she be my honorary grandma?

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    yyyguy  almost 14 years ago

    the Spanish Armada was going to invade England. it would seem likely that Phillip of Spain started it. Maggie Thatcher, yes, the other two i wouldn’t know about.

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    Ooops! Premium Member almost 14 years ago

    Let the fun begin!

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    Wildmustang1262  almost 14 years ago

    Oh my! It is so outrageous funny! LOLs! X-D

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    madKanga  almost 14 years ago

    Rules of this household:

    1 The woman is always right (and the man should apologise) 2 If the woman is ever wrong, refer to rule 1 (and the man should apologise profusely).

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    Fierce  almost 14 years ago

    Good morning all!!!!

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    ronaldmundy  almost 14 years ago

    so when does the happy ever after start?

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    Mad-ge Dish Soap  almost 14 years ago

    Was it Clyde and Bonnie????

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    thirdguy  almost 14 years ago

    If a man makes a decision, and there is no woman there to correct him, is he still wrong?

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    grcoyne48 Premium Member almost 14 years ago

    Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandi, and Golda Meir all showed that women do not take a backseat to men where war is concerned.

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    DGooseE  almost 14 years ago

    I LOVE YOU, WILEY!!!

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    Nighthawks Premium Member almost 14 years ago

    uh..and joan of arc , wasn’t she a jihadist?

    my ex-wife was known as catherine-the-she-thinks-she’s great

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    Wiley creator almost 14 years ago

    “Margaret Thatcher, Indira Ghandi, and Golda Meir all showed that women do not take a backseat to men where war is concerned.”

    Ah, how deliciously predictable. As if finding 3 women heads of state who served during war time makes women equally responsible for all the wars.

    Still waiting for any examples of women CEO’s who’s financial scheming helped create the mess we’re in… as if finding one exception will somehow refute the rule.

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    dianecliff  almost 14 years ago

    Queen Boadica…

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    Reddheadd  almost 14 years ago

    Thanks, Wiley. Love it.

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    Kevin Parker Premium Member almost 14 years ago

    Boadicea’s country was invaded, she was publicly stripped and flogged, and her daughters were publicly gang-raped. I think the Romans started that one.

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    Logicman  almost 14 years ago

    Wiley – if your point is that women haven’t had the OPPORTUNITY to create the same sort of chaos as men, you’re 100% correct. If your point is that MANY women wouldn’t have made the same mistakes as the men in power, you are also correct.

    The problem here is the implication that ALL women are better than ALL men.

    Horsefeathers. There are bad women just as there are bad men. There are good men too, but the PROBLEM is that the system is set up such that good PEOPLE tend not to be in power.

    Fix the system, don’t blame “men” for the problems the system creates!

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    lazygrazer  almost 14 years ago

    Some dang good points, Logicman.

    Question though….where did this “system” you refer to come from?

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    Lyons Group, Inc.  almost 14 years ago

    As for warmongers, the last of them past away one week ago….Alexander Haig.

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    vexatron1984  almost 14 years ago

    You mean the system men created Logicman?

    Women in power wouldn’t make the same mistakes men would, but they would sure make different ones! What we need is a person of each sex in each position of office so they can balance each other out.

    Yes, you could list the number of women who are responsible for wars, but in comparison to the amount of men who have, the list might as well not exist!

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    Wiley creator almost 14 years ago

    No, “Logicman” (ironic screen name), there is no such implication. You are simply trying to reframe it with a bizarre extreme in order to misdirect the point. You cannot make any statement that applies to “ALL” women or “ALL” men. That’s a strawman debate tactic.

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    xbc13  almost 14 years ago

    And to prove his point Wiley starts a war…

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    pawpawbear  almost 14 years ago

    We still fight the battle of the sexes. Look, folks, we need to look forward. We all know that most wars were over lust and greed. Name some that were not. Frequently, in history, there were many women who, while not actually in power, were urging their men who were, to wage war for their own personal gain or revenge. There were women who had their men killed in order to elevate their lovers. I can say that what we need to do is go forward and make changes. The personal changes should be first and foremost. If we all can do something different and positive with the person in the mirror, we will go forward and not stagnate like we are now.

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    Bany39  almost 14 years ago

    Wiley the strip is great as always. It amazes me how far off the orginal subject people get by the 10th comment. After retirement women are always right and men may as well not even say anything as it will be said for them.

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    Wiley creator almost 14 years ago

    Satire is the art of highlighting the obvious and is always directed at the powerful, akin the fabled little boy who points out that the Emperor isn’t wearing any clothes. And the satirist can always tell how accurate it is by how loudly the target whines in protest, trying to make themselves out to be the victim.

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    kirbey  almost 14 years ago

    All I have to say is…. Great strip today, Thanks Wiley !

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    aerwalt  almost 14 years ago

    Amen, Wiley, Amen.

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    davesmithsit  almost 14 years ago

    Most bar fights ,started by women, fought by men . The face that launched a thousand ships.

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    brewwitch  almost 14 years ago

    Wiley said: ‘Satire is the art of highlighting the obvious and is always directed at the powerful…’

    The best defense against satire is to have a sense of humour, being able to laugh at one’s self and, of course, realizing that the satirist might have a point.

    Well done, Wiley – great strip today.

    ‘Sometimes you laugh ‘cause it’s funny and sometimes you laugh ‘cause it’s true.’

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    Creniere  almost 14 years ago

    Wiley…touche’, touche’ and touche’….wild applause from MT

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    Michelle99  almost 14 years ago

    “And the satirist can always tell how accurate it is by how loudly the target whines in protest, trying to make themselves out to be the victim. ”

    This is why I love you, Wiley.

    “The best defense against satire is to have a sense of humour, being able to laugh at one’s self and, of course, realizing that the satirist might have a point.”

    pats pockets I know I left my sense of humor around here somewhere. When I find you, you guys can borrow it. :p

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    clearskies  almost 14 years ago

    It’s amazing how many men think they GAVE women the vote, don’t they know we TOOK it?

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    Catalystvi  almost 14 years ago

    What’s the point then. Is he supposed to just agree and vote for the next woman that comes along and give up his next promtion to woman? OR should he agree and demonstrate the stereotype by slapping his woman and taking her wallet?

    The guy is not IN power. He’s sitting on a couch with his wife. They are equals here. HE is not starting a war and HE is obviously not an industrialist. SHE is quite willing to propogate a stereotype to suit her purpose - mess with her husband.

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    Kaero  almost 14 years ago

    Sorry, Edna. Difficulties in my life, with the exception of Billy in the sixth grade and a jerk boyfriend when I was 22, have generally been based on women who would have been total warmongers if they hadn’t been so busy greedily hunting for rich husbands.

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    HabaneroBuck  almost 14 years ago

    Way back in ancient history, let’s throw out a Semiramis, Jezebel, and Athaliah.

    Don’t blame the banks for the economic disasters, they operate under a system of support which insures they can never fail. Blame the feds who are always so eager to make up any investment losses as soon as crisis is proclaimed. Banks would never make the stupid mistakes they do if they actually had to absorb the losses on their own, they are too smart for that.

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    Barbaratoo  almost 14 years ago

    Sounds like it’s time for everyone to re-read LYSISTRATA by Aristophanes and HERLAND Charlotte Perkins Gilman…Very insightful! This from Wikipedia: In reaction to the Iraq disarmament crisis, a peace protest initiative, The Lysistrata Project, was based on readings of the play held world-wide on March 3, 2003.

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    puddleglum1066  almost 14 years ago

    Wiley–well, I could name Carly Fiorina, who ran Hewlett-Packard into the ground and is now running for Senator in California, but you’re right, she’s just one example. On the other hand, in my 26 years in the corporate world, I saw plenty of women managers who were just as greedy, short-sighted and nasty as the men. I also saw a whole lot of men who worked hard, played by the rules, and got shafted. I think it’s the system, not the gender, that matters here.

    But I really sympathize with the guy’s comment in the last panel. I was all for putting more women into management. All that stuff about women being more nurturing, more team-oriented, and so forth. Sounded like a major improvement over the current Boss system. Alas, the system seemed to pickle anybody who started up the ladder. These days, the “fair haired boy” is just as likely to be a black woman–but she’s still just the New Boss, same as the Old Boss. Pity.

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    Barbaratoo  almost 14 years ago

    Heck, I’m a woman but I’m not “team-oriented” in the LEAST! (I can’t abide the Olympics!) Someone up there mentioned about starting with the self and I sort of go along those lines. Live rightly and things pretty much take care of themselves. Wiley talked about satirists and I’ve forgotten which writer said this but essentially it goes like this: Always tell the truth because you never have to remember which lie you told. (Will Rogers? Mark Twain?)

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    mjd.kwanyin  almost 14 years ago

    thanks wiley, love the strip. have you ever read ‘the chalice and the blade’ ? interesting.

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    AKHenderson Premium Member almost 14 years ago

    He’s obviously not a divorce lawyer, since he didn’t have a comeback for the line about scheming financial disasters :-)

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    lorelei6361  almost 14 years ago

    I love that Wiley jumps into the fray.

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    reynard61  almost 14 years ago

    Josh 1360 said: “As for warmongers, the last of them past away one week ago….Alexander Haig.”

    Al “I am in control here” Haig is hardly the “last” of the warmongers. What about Dick “They’ll greet us as liberators” Cheney? How about Don “Known Unknowns” Rumsfeld? Then there’s Condie “We don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud” Rice. And the biggest one of them all: George W. “I think I was unprepared for war” Bush.

    Whether Gen. Haig was a “warmonger” or not remains, I think, for history to decide; but he was most certainly NOT the “last” of that undying breed.

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    pbarnrob  almost 14 years ago

    Ghandhi’s line about “BE the change you want to see in the World” seems apt here.

    Lt.Gen. Chesty Puller USMC purportedly didn’t want women in combat, because he thought they’d “be too bloodthirsty”. I suspect if offspring were anywhere near involved in the theatre, I wouldn’t want to be between them.

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    Logicman  almost 14 years ago

    I will respond, although I think my point is made well enough given many (but not all!) of the comments afterward, WM: My argument is more accurately ‘Reductio ad absurdum’. A ‘straw man’ is an argument based on misrepresentation of an opponent’s position. I didn’t say you SAID all women were good all men were bad.. You agreed finding one or three or even 300 counter examples doesn’t prove the point – I won’t go there.

    Instead, I’m suggesting we follow the implications of your proposition (men caused the problems of the world) to a logical but absurd consequence (if women were in charge it is certain that things would be different) showing the fallacy of the argument. Logic is such a slippery thing.

    And yes, the system probably was made “by men” but it was done with the consent and encouragement of women. If women shunned power grabbing war-mongering men, you bet your boots there would be fewer power grabbing war-mongering men! Instead, many (most?) women seem to think such men make great ‘providers’ and flock toward them like moths to a flame, and, if you follow that to the logical extreme, with similar results. This encourages the cycle to continue. We need a different model, but just putting women ‘in charge’ isn’t that model. Dismissing 50% of the population as inferior (which is what pop culture is doing to men now after so many eons of it doing the same thing to women!) is a recipe for disaster.

    Sorry to be so windy … this isn’t really the forum for that, (it is a comic strip after all!) but it just had to be said! :)

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    Logicman  almost 14 years ago

    (And your observations are usually spot-on which is why it is disappointing when you miss!)

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    vexatron1984  almost 14 years ago

    Offspring does make a difference with some women. My mother is ready for blood when I might be only mildly upset by some insensitive idiot (men and women included in that description) when most of the time she tries as hard as she can to avoid conflict.

    Incidentally, If I had to choose between a bloodthirsty man and a bloodthirsty women, I’d take the man any day. It would be a quicker and easier death by far.

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    Joseph Krois  almost 14 years ago

    “Oh I’m just a helpless little female in the corner here…I have no effect on anything and no one, especially my husband, ever listens to me…oh woe!” Actual conversation: Mrs. Cortez, “Oh that Vera Magellan has it all right. Husband circum-navigating the world and all, and what do I have? What have you given me? Boo-hoo!” Mr. Cortez, “All right, all right. You want sumfing’ you whining b#$%h. How’s this?!” Aztec’s beware…

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    Wiley creator almost 14 years ago

    Sorry, but you obviously missed the point, “Logicman”.

    Or perhaps you did actually understand, don’t want to own up to it, and are attempting to obscure by burying it under a mountain of minutia.

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    Ooops! Premium Member almost 14 years ago

    Are we having fun yet?

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    Lawrence Stetz Premium Member almost 14 years ago

    Wiley, Just go to bed already or I shall sic Danae on you

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    A.J.2000  almost 14 years ago

    In popular culture it is Safe, and Politically Correct to insult men (and boys), while praising, patronizing and fawning before women. Culturally, you’ll see where all this leads in the next 10-20 yrs. btw, women made up a great percentage of the people Selling (or peddling) those fraudulent & misleading loan packages at banks or real estate & mortgage offices around the country.

    And surely as women control purchasing decisions of most households – you’ll find it was a majority of women who accepted those fake loans, knowing they either couldn’t afford them, or else knowing they had misrepresented facts on those meaningless applications.

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    wittyvegan  almost 14 years ago

    Of course Margaret Thatcher and Indria Gandhi were only a small exception of the many peaceful female leaders.

    Admit it: The only reason women did less harm is that they fill less positions of power.

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    Wildcard24365  almost 14 years ago

    Props, Mr. Wiley. I just wish all those white, western-european, Christian males would just chill out. They’re giving the other 1% of them a bad name.

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    Wilphart  almost 14 years ago

    In the USA, I really don’t think women have it worse than men. They might get paid a tad less for equal work in some fields, but in many cases they get paid the same for less work, e.g., the military, where they have lower standards and aren’t sent into combat zones. They get maternity leave and more paid time off than men. Tomboys are acceptable and sometimes even desirable in our culture, whereas girly-men are not. Women can get away wearing men’s clothing, but not the other way around. Women have a huge advantage in legal procedings, as they’re perceived as the victims. They nearly always get child custody after a divorce. There are more government aids and such to help out women, e.g. starting businesses, etc. In short, when a woman want’s to do a man’s thang, she says “I’m just as good as a man and I can do anything I want. Don’t discriminate.” When there is a conflict, she says “I’m just a woman and he took advantage of me” or whatever. Either way, the woman usually wins.

    As for bosses, I’ve had my share of both genders, good and bad on both teams. But I prefer working for males, to be honest. Being a woman does not automatically make them nicer nor more approachable.

    I suspect that for leaders of state or commerce, it’s only a matter of opportunity - less women in power. I don’t think women would be inherently kinder or just leaders, and if so, certainly not significantly so.

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    LoguLogu  almost 14 years ago

    Great strip, Wiley!

    brewwitch, whose quote is that–‘Sometimes you laugh ‘cause it’s funny and sometimes you laugh ‘cause it’s true.’? Loved it.

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    WalterEPhillips Premium Member about 4 years ago

    Your are not the only one.

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