Yeah your right Ted, let’s all vote for Trump. That way we can accelerate the downfall, ensure that things get much worse for all of us not smart enough to be born into the .01%, and then people will rise up and tear it all down and build the IDEAL that 100% of Americans will agree to build without coercion. Sure, that happens all the time.
This is old shtick: Humphrey, Carter,Mondale Clinton were not liberal enough and surely after 4 years of Nixon,Reagan,trump people would be ready to elect a true progressive, well that did not happen. There will be 2 Supreme Court seats opening in 2021-Ginsburg, Breyer plus dozens of other federal judges, if trump is doing the nominating reactionary judges will dominate for the next 30 years.
I think you’re wrong this time. I certainly HOPE you’re wrong. I don’t think those crowds protesting in the streets are going to stop if “nothing will change” Biden is installed. Biden was instrumental in expanding the police state, and there has been more than enough evidence that too many Democratic mayors and governors have been on the side of police no matter what. A condescending “there, there” ain’t gonna cut it this time.
And that’s not even considering Biden’s long history of neoliberalism, consistently supporting corporations over people and pumping up the war machine.
@RallTed, you can say you are critical of #45 – which you are – but you have also been going after Biden just as heavily, and with much less justification.
Did you see that he moved his platform much further left? Did you see that he and Bernie Sanders appeared together?
Or, more importantly, have you noticed that #45 is utterly destroying this country in a way that the GOP has been working towards for forty years?
It is the job of political cartoonists to criticize those in power and to be a gadfly, not a celebrator of the status quo (which is why so few cartoonists on the right are any good at all), but by your increasingly strained efforts to go after Biden you appear to have fallen into the “fair and balanced debate” trap that plagues the news media in the US (e.g., having climate scientists debating ignoramuses in order to have two views and pretend to objectivity), creating an equivalency where none really exists.
It’s not the first time. You seemed to have a personal dislike of Hillary Clinton that was so strong that you did MORE cartoons criticizing her than Trump in 2016. How do I know? I COUNTED THEM. And I posted the count, which you either did not see or did not choose to respond to.
Go ahead, criticize Biden. But keep a sense of perspective, won’t you? Biden will give us time to get a genuine liberal in office. #45 won’t.
Vote blue no matter who! I’m serious! At least Biden has experience and ideas on how to fix the economy and keep us from being blindsided by the next pandemic. I would much rather have him as President than the orange clown. Besides, during the next four years (2021-2025), the two oldest Supreme Court justices, Clarence Thomas and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, will either die or retire. So we need Biden in the White House and Democrats controlling the Senate so we can take back the court majority. Staying home on Election Day or voting third party and you might as well be voting for Trump. Elections are decided by neither blue liberals nor red conservatives, but from that vast, unsung purple center.
In 1964 I attended the Democratic Convention in Atlantic City as a Young Democrat for Johnson, and I did what I could as a teenager to help him beat Goldwater. I’m not sorry about that. It was the right thing to do at the time. In 1965 I attended (sort of accidentally) the first SDS demonstration against the War in Vietnam, in front of the White House. By 1967 I was working full time for the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam, and I helped (in a small way) to organize the big Pentagon Demonstration that fall. I was arrested there, and arrested three times in all. You have to make the best choice you can at the moment. Right now, a vote for Biden is absolutely the right thing to do. It’s not a promise to support everything he does, and if he messes up, I will be out there demonstrating (as much as my 73 year old knees will allow).
Many critical comments here, and I do appreciate them as well as the positive ones. But I would like to point out that not a single person here who is critical has taken issue with the substance of this cartoon. I pointed out that Biden would not appoint any liberals, and no one said that he would. I pointed out that Biden would not do anything to help the poor and the downtrodden, and nobody claimed otherwise. And I said that there wouldn’t be any protests, and nobody argued with that either.
I understand what’s going on here perfectly. People are disgusted with Trump, and rightly so. So they’ve decided to vote for whoever the guy is who is voting against Trump, hoping against hope that that will make things better. What they don’t understand is, everything can get worse. I hated George W. Bush and I voted for Obama, but look what happened. He was even worse. He extended the wars, started new ones, expanded the drones. Biden would be worse than Trump in many ways. We have to get rid of both of these guys.
I hope liberals can pull it together and vote for Biden in 2020. And not skip out because they want to pout about not having Bernie. This isn’t just about the Presidency. We have two elderly liberal supreme court justices (Ginsburg and Breyer) who are almost certainly going to retire in the next 4 years. Do we want their replacements selected by Trump?
When Rall looks into the future, he see a grim reality where nothing changes. This is not likely as the Democrat platform is based on these issues; but still, it is a possibility. However, no one can refute that all those things and worse, will come to pass under Trump; and whether intentional or not, Rall is campaigning for Trump. At this point, all claims of high morals or standards is pretense; and frankly, I can’t imagine just how much further Trump has to go before Rall and his followers realize just how desperate the situation is.
We are faced with (at least) one immediate crisis, the pandemic; Trump has handled this so badly that he must be replaced. The only person who can realistically replace him is Biden. I don’t expect Biden to be a great president, but I do expect him to be better than the worst, which is what we have now. We are also faced with an equally serious, perhaps more serious, mid-range crisis, the climate. Trump has done nothing to help that at all. I don’t expect Biden to what needs to be done, at least without a lot of pressure. So as concerned citizens, we should all engage in non-electoral political actions to force the politicians and the financiers to do what’s necessary. Trump would never move an inch. Biden could move a couple of inches, and perhaps more if there is enough pressure. The answer is not to throw up our hands and say, “No one running will solve the problems, so I’m going home!” The answer is to vote for Biden and then get busy.
As a Canadian, I don’t have a vote, but I do have opinions, which are a) the US electoral system is set up so that there are only two alternatives—any other votes are wasted; and b) Biden is an incomparably better human being than Trump (not a high bar), and, if elected, will likely steer the country, and the world, in a direction closer to what I would want. Certainly not ideal, but in that direction. My druthers would be otherwise, but unfortunately there is only one choice allowed to voters, between two unsatisfactory candidates.
But my real point is to honor Mr Rall for engaging in respectful, thoughtful, well-informed, and rational responses to those criticizing him. This sort of thing does not often happen in current political debate, so thank you Mr. Rall. (I also note your lack of avarice in suggesting that people find your book in a library rather than a bookstore.)
I think this ‘toon is just a warning; "hey guys, if you get complacent, this is what’s going to happen." Biden is a company man, he’ll hew to company policies. It’s up to the people to make sure the company stays on its toes and not stray (too much) from doing what’s good for the people instead of corporations.
I have appreciated the devil’s advocate stance that Rall sometimes takes, but this is so infantile that I, after several years of reading his posts, am unfollowing.
Judge Magney over 2 years ago
Dumber than Henry Payne.
Daeder over 2 years ago
And the alternative is?….That’s right, even worse.
sevaar777 over 2 years ago
Well, at least I’m not going to be surprised.
Concretionist over 2 years ago
Rall is a VERY SOUR loser. Too bad. I wonder if he’d be able to cartoon at all if good ol’ Bernie had gotten the nod.
Mominexile Premium Member over 2 years ago
I am so tired of this. Have fun, Ted.
GreggW Premium Member over 2 years ago
There had damn well better be, unless ordinary Americans want to be the peasants that the oligarchs of both parties treat them as.
Plumb.Bob over 2 years ago
Yeah your right Ted, let’s all vote for Trump. That way we can accelerate the downfall, ensure that things get much worse for all of us not smart enough to be born into the .01%, and then people will rise up and tear it all down and build the IDEAL that 100% of Americans will agree to build without coercion. Sure, that happens all the time.
Denver Reader Premium Member over 2 years ago
Still amused that Biden’s no longer thought of as liberal.
evanmarhews over 2 years ago
would you rather have Trump again ??
Gen.Flashman over 2 years ago
This is old shtick: Humphrey, Carter,Mondale Clinton were not liberal enough and surely after 4 years of Nixon,Reagan,trump people would be ready to elect a true progressive, well that did not happen. There will be 2 Supreme Court seats opening in 2021-Ginsburg, Breyer plus dozens of other federal judges, if trump is doing the nominating reactionary judges will dominate for the next 30 years.
preacherman over 2 years ago
I don’t get Rall. Who’s side is he on?
mourdac Premium Member over 2 years ago
Biden, if elected, will be influenced by more progressive elements in the Democratic party.
Michael Minor Premium Member over 2 years ago
I guarantee that if the new Congress passes “Medicare for all”, President Biden signs it in a heartbeat.
countoftowergrove over 2 years ago
Ted wallowing in the curdled spilled milk of the Bernie Bros who wore hats, but brought no cattle on Super Tuesday.
rossevrymn Premium Member over 2 years ago
Hey, Prickly City just did the same thing.
6.6TA Premium Member over 2 years ago
Mr. Rall, we are starting to hear a very spooky “Twilight Zone” Theme playing in the background of your cartoons, these days.
GaryCooper over 2 years ago
Still campaigning for Trump, I see, Ted.
kv450 over 2 years ago
Ted Rall – optimist
Cerabooge over 2 years ago
I think you’re wrong this time. I certainly HOPE you’re wrong. I don’t think those crowds protesting in the streets are going to stop if “nothing will change” Biden is installed. Biden was instrumental in expanding the police state, and there has been more than enough evidence that too many Democratic mayors and governors have been on the side of police no matter what. A condescending “there, there” ain’t gonna cut it this time.
And that’s not even considering Biden’s long history of neoliberalism, consistently supporting corporations over people and pumping up the war machine.
Motivemagus over 2 years ago
@RallTed, you can say you are critical of #45 – which you are – but you have also been going after Biden just as heavily, and with much less justification.
Did you see that he moved his platform much further left? Did you see that he and Bernie Sanders appeared together?
Or, more importantly, have you noticed that #45 is utterly destroying this country in a way that the GOP has been working towards for forty years?
It is the job of political cartoonists to criticize those in power and to be a gadfly, not a celebrator of the status quo (which is why so few cartoonists on the right are any good at all), but by your increasingly strained efforts to go after Biden you appear to have fallen into the “fair and balanced debate” trap that plagues the news media in the US (e.g., having climate scientists debating ignoramuses in order to have two views and pretend to objectivity), creating an equivalency where none really exists.
It’s not the first time. You seemed to have a personal dislike of Hillary Clinton that was so strong that you did MORE cartoons criticizing her than Trump in 2016. How do I know? I COUNTED THEM. And I posted the count, which you either did not see or did not choose to respond to.
Go ahead, criticize Biden. But keep a sense of perspective, won’t you? Biden will give us time to get a genuine liberal in office. #45 won’t.
Northgalus2002 over 2 years ago
Vote blue no matter who! I’m serious! At least Biden has experience and ideas on how to fix the economy and keep us from being blindsided by the next pandemic. I would much rather have him as President than the orange clown. Besides, during the next four years (2021-2025), the two oldest Supreme Court justices, Clarence Thomas and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, will either die or retire. So we need Biden in the White House and Democrats controlling the Senate so we can take back the court majority. Staying home on Election Day or voting third party and you might as well be voting for Trump. Elections are decided by neither blue liberals nor red conservatives, but from that vast, unsung purple center.
lonecat over 2 years ago
In 1964 I attended the Democratic Convention in Atlantic City as a Young Democrat for Johnson, and I did what I could as a teenager to help him beat Goldwater. I’m not sorry about that. It was the right thing to do at the time. In 1965 I attended (sort of accidentally) the first SDS demonstration against the War in Vietnam, in front of the White House. By 1967 I was working full time for the National Mobilization Committee to End the War in Vietnam, and I helped (in a small way) to organize the big Pentagon Demonstration that fall. I was arrested there, and arrested three times in all. You have to make the best choice you can at the moment. Right now, a vote for Biden is absolutely the right thing to do. It’s not a promise to support everything he does, and if he messes up, I will be out there demonstrating (as much as my 73 year old knees will allow).
ncorgbl over 2 years ago
If all that were to happen, then Biden would not have won. More likely Bernie Sanders sneaked in.
Ted Rall creator over 2 years ago
Many critical comments here, and I do appreciate them as well as the positive ones. But I would like to point out that not a single person here who is critical has taken issue with the substance of this cartoon. I pointed out that Biden would not appoint any liberals, and no one said that he would. I pointed out that Biden would not do anything to help the poor and the downtrodden, and nobody claimed otherwise. And I said that there wouldn’t be any protests, and nobody argued with that either.
Ted Rall creator over 2 years ago
I understand what’s going on here perfectly. People are disgusted with Trump, and rightly so. So they’ve decided to vote for whoever the guy is who is voting against Trump, hoping against hope that that will make things better. What they don’t understand is, everything can get worse. I hated George W. Bush and I voted for Obama, but look what happened. He was even worse. He extended the wars, started new ones, expanded the drones. Biden would be worse than Trump in many ways. We have to get rid of both of these guys.
StackableContainers over 2 years ago
I hope liberals can pull it together and vote for Biden in 2020. And not skip out because they want to pout about not having Bernie. This isn’t just about the Presidency. We have two elderly liberal supreme court justices (Ginsburg and Breyer) who are almost certainly going to retire in the next 4 years. Do we want their replacements selected by Trump?
RalphConti over 2 years ago
When Rall looks into the future, he see a grim reality where nothing changes. This is not likely as the Democrat platform is based on these issues; but still, it is a possibility. However, no one can refute that all those things and worse, will come to pass under Trump; and whether intentional or not, Rall is campaigning for Trump. At this point, all claims of high morals or standards is pretense; and frankly, I can’t imagine just how much further Trump has to go before Rall and his followers realize just how desperate the situation is.
Radish the old word monger Premium Member over 2 years ago
The only lib was JFK and they shot him down, and his brother.
charliekane over 2 years ago
“Biden would be worse than Trump in many ways.”
Name some.
kballweg Premium Member over 2 years ago
Oh FFS! Ted’s solution to the hypothetical trolly problem is to run the trolly off the rails and into a Day care center.
bwsevier over 2 years ago
I don’t think that there is ANY government that could get an approval from Mr. Rall – he’s just basically a contrarian.
lonecat over 2 years ago
We are faced with (at least) one immediate crisis, the pandemic; Trump has handled this so badly that he must be replaced. The only person who can realistically replace him is Biden. I don’t expect Biden to be a great president, but I do expect him to be better than the worst, which is what we have now. We are also faced with an equally serious, perhaps more serious, mid-range crisis, the climate. Trump has done nothing to help that at all. I don’t expect Biden to what needs to be done, at least without a lot of pressure. So as concerned citizens, we should all engage in non-electoral political actions to force the politicians and the financiers to do what’s necessary. Trump would never move an inch. Biden could move a couple of inches, and perhaps more if there is enough pressure. The answer is not to throw up our hands and say, “No one running will solve the problems, so I’m going home!” The answer is to vote for Biden and then get busy.
jvscanlan Premium Member over 2 years ago
BS Ted
cherns Premium Member over 2 years ago
As a Canadian, I don’t have a vote, but I do have opinions, which are a) the US electoral system is set up so that there are only two alternatives—any other votes are wasted; and b) Biden is an incomparably better human being than Trump (not a high bar), and, if elected, will likely steer the country, and the world, in a direction closer to what I would want. Certainly not ideal, but in that direction. My druthers would be otherwise, but unfortunately there is only one choice allowed to voters, between two unsatisfactory candidates.
But my real point is to honor Mr Rall for engaging in respectful, thoughtful, well-informed, and rational responses to those criticizing him. This sort of thing does not often happen in current political debate, so thank you Mr. Rall. (I also note your lack of avarice in suggesting that people find your book in a library rather than a bookstore.)
nednewbie over 2 years ago
I think this ‘toon is just a warning; "hey guys, if you get complacent, this is what’s going to happen." Biden is a company man, he’ll hew to company policies. It’s up to the people to make sure the company stays on its toes and not stray (too much) from doing what’s good for the people instead of corporations.
Danae Premium Member over 2 years ago
I have appreciated the devil’s advocate stance that Rall sometimes takes, but this is so infantile that I, after several years of reading his posts, am unfollowing.
dirtmusic over 2 years ago
Is that why you voted for Trump?