Ted Rall for November 27, 2023

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    ibFrank  5 months ago

    Boy I bet this comic will have some hateful comments on it.

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    GOGOPOWERANGERS  5 months ago

    Yea basically

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    Walter Kocker Premium Member 5 months ago

    One of my favorite philosophers said it best:

    “Why can’t we all just get along?”

    - Rodney King (1967 – 2012) RIP

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    Concretionist  5 months ago

    If you want to play “they did it first/worst” then you BELONG in the middle east. Because whatever any of them do, they say they’re just getting even. Rall, in this case is saying that Israel’s policy of land grabs justifies Hamas murdering Israeli civilians. Which Israel’s government uses to justify murderous retribution and more land grabs. And around it goes.

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    Zeno2099  5 months ago

    Good points. The situation is unfathomably horrible, and Netanyahu is an absolute monster.

    Here is the latest comprehensive situation update that I could find:

    Https://Reliefweb.Int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/opt-emergency-situation-update-14-23-november-2023-1700

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    Màiri  5 months ago

    Outstanding, Ted. I’m trying to think of a toon you’ve done that has more clearly made a case, and I can’t. This is just outstanding.

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    DangerMan  5 months ago

    The Israelis appeared to be tied up in knots by a criminally-charged PM and Knesset that were bent on dismantling the guardrails of democracy and the resulting social turmoil. They failed over and over to deal with the Palestinian people in any real way, putting them in a prison colony with “self-government” but totally dependent on Israel for energy and supplies. Then, instead of dealing with the Arabs under their control, they start to make deals with OTHER Arab countries.

    Hamas got to be the ruling authority in that colony, and of course they fed the natural anger among their people about their treatment at the hands of Israel.

    I guess I have to wonder why people are surprised at the over-the-top reaction to this treatment.

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    YehudaReiss  5 months ago

    The first panel of this comic is absolutely correct. Only one side targets innocent civilians and expresses no interest in peace, only the desire to completely annihilate the other. Only one side ever starts the attacks that lead to these wars. Only one side celebrates whenever they spill blood. Only one side denies the rights of the other to exist. Only one side has completely distorted history to exclaim that they are the only ones with a claim on Israel. The rest of the panels are either completely false or completely decontextualized.

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    mourdac Premium Member 5 months ago

    There has never been a nation of Palestine. There was a historic Israel which was pretty much totally destroyed by the Romans in 73 A.D. After that, the land was ruled by numerous nations/empires but never given status as a nation. The British and French imposed the Palestinian Mandate after WWI but, again, did not form a nation of Palestine. Jews began the Zionist movement in the late 1800s in response to anti-semitism around the world, primarily in Europe and the Russian empire. The U.N. imposed a seperation plan for Palestinians and Israelis in 1948 and proclaimed the formation of a land of Israel, with the subsequent war and over 700,000 Palestinians leaving Israel for a variety of reasons. The 1967 war saw Israel conquer the Golan Heights, the West Bank, and Sinai (since returned to Egypt). The Israeli government made the unlawful and unwise choice to support establishing Jewish settlements in conquered territories and has doubled down on these practices against Palestinians with others straining the bounds of decency and throwing gasoline on the fires burning there.

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    Gen.Flashman  5 months ago

    People must remember the United Nations in 1948 was made up of US/South American (dominated by US puppet governments) and European countries) almost all of Asia/Africa were colonies with no representatives. Everyone knew a separate Jewish state=no peace as long as it existed. In the US besides Holocaust guilty, Truman was concerned about the Jewish vote in the 48 election so he overrode his State Department and recognized Israel.

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    Rick Parkhurst Premium Member 5 months ago

    Keep beating all you want Ted, that horse ain’t gettin up.

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    davidthoms1  5 months ago

    The vast majority of the Jewish people were forced out of the middle east 1100 years ago by the rise of Islam. They lived mostly in north eastern Europe for 1000 years. After WWII and the Holocaust the victorious allies shipped the survivors to Palestine ostensibly to give them a homeland, but really to finish Hitlers work of cleansing Europe of Jews. Zionist leaders accepted this exile for religious reasons. The Palestinians were forced out of the homeland they had lived in for those 1100 years without compensation. And people wonder why there is conflict in Israel! I don’t have a shred of proof for anything I just wrote, but it makes sense to me.

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    aristoclesplato9  5 months ago

    When did Israel steal Palestine? In ’48 when Arabs attacked Israel? Palestinian Arabs lost that war and their land with it. Not uncommon for victors in war to take the land. Happened to Mexico. England. Spain, and pretty much every other loser in a war.

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    steveconkey2003  5 months ago

    Palestine has never been a country and has never had it’s own land….FACT. No Arab nation wants them in their country……FACT.

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    steveconkey2003  5 months ago

    It’s clear Ted is pro terrorist.

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    Havel  5 months ago

    The “both sides” argument is interesting, but it should also be applied to the history of the region. Each side states the historical narrative that confirms their biases. Ignoring facts that question those narratives is a perfectly normal thing to do, but is ultimately disingenuous if the complexity of (any) history can be understood. Here’s a piece I almost never hear from those on the left whose default position is Israel is automatically to blame for all of it:

    “In the 1930s, most of the land was bought from landowners. Of the land that the Jews bought, 52.6% were bought from non-Palestinian landowners, 24.6% from Palestinian landowners, 13.4% from government, churches, and foreign companies, and only 9.4% from fellaheen (farmers).” (Wikipedia)

    I recently read the obituary of an Israeli peace activist, Vivian Silver, who was killed on 10/7. Her son, Yonathan, was asked what she would say about the new war. His response: “That this the outcome… of not striving for peace” (“The Economist”, 11/18/23)

    Pragmatically, this is the only way forward. I hope that people of good will on both sides people have the courage to follow through.

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    Ted Rall creator 5 months ago

    Why focus on the 1930s?

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    Cerabooge  5 months ago

    Panel 2: For additional context, look at Wikipedia’s article on the Jewish exodus from the Muslim world.

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    Retrac Premium Member 5 months ago

    It is certainly convenient for Israel to have more Palestinian prisoners than Hamas has Israel captives to swap.

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    ShadowMaster  5 months ago

    That the nation of Israel existed cannot be denied. That it occupied the territory historically is given. That said, I don’t think Gaza was part of Israel from what I can see. The borders were pretty much defined.

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    Gnork  5 months ago

    Simpletons conflate criticism of Zionism with antisemitism. Zionism is a political ideology. Only idiots believe a political (or any) ideology is unassailable.

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    shannon1352  5 months ago

    I beleive that the Jews were in the land called Israel way before Christ was even born. They were kicked out, killed, taken away. Around 1100 we had the Crusader states. Those were destroyed by Islamic armies. Most of the arab countries are European creations. None of them want the Palestinians, why?? Under UN mandate the Jews got to return to their old homeland in 1949 and were almost immediately attacked by the Arab states around it. The Palestinians were given deal after deal to form a state and their leaders refused them all. They would be happy only if there was no Israel. That’s true today with Hamas & Hezbollah. So please spare me “Israel stole, Israel occupier.”

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    BeniHanna6 Premium Member 5 months ago

    Let’s see the world let Germany exterminate a large portion of Jews during WWII. Then they encouraged the remaining Jews to settle in Palestine, where you are definitely going to have wars with the people already there. As those wars have continued, the world appears to being tired of this conflict and are now turning on the Jewish people they encouraged to settle there. Can it be long before we see the world deciding that maybe they should continue what Germany started? Be strong Israel as those whom you thought had your back, may now be getting ready to shove a knife into it. Never depend on an “ally”, you are only as safe as you make your self.

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    Norton99  5 months ago

    Israel has to exist. There has to be a place where Jews are safe from harassment. It’s not just the Holocaust, pogroms are still happening on smaller scales throughout the world.As for the control of the border, I know Americans have notorious problems with long-term memory, but really, people, have you all forgotten about suicide bombings that happened on almost a daily basis before those controls were put into place?Last, but very much not least, the reason there isn’t a state of Palestine is that the so-called Palestinians want only one thing—to push the dirty Jews into the sea and declare the entire land theirs, under whatever name they choose—Palestine will probably do very well. They can’t do it, in spite of trying several times already, but until they succeed in doing, there isn’t going to be a state of Palestine.

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    apfelzra Premium Member 5 months ago

    The second panel is BS. Jewish settlers in British mandated Palestine purchased land from (usually absentee) Turkish and Arab landowners. They wanted to share Palestine with their Arab neighbors (whom I don’t believe considered themselves “Palestinian”) but the Arabs refused, evacuated their homes when told to do so by Arab armies in Israel’s 1948 War for Independence, expecting to return when the new Jewish state was destroyed. Ever since, at least until Netanyahu came to power, most Israelis still offered to share the land with Arabs, but the Arabs demanded the destruction of the Israeli state and a return of ALL its land to the Arabs. This unwillingness to compromise has created the tension and misery seen in Gaza, the West Bank, Lebanon and to wherever Palestinians have sought exile. And while Israel welcomes Jews from all over the world, which Arab countries welcome Palestinians, and why not?

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    AtomicForce91 Premium Member 5 months ago

    Talk to someone from South Africa that experienced actual apartheid and get back to me. Until then, these oppressed people serve in the Israeli defense force and occupy key government positions.

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    [Unnamed Reader - bf182b]  5 months ago

    I don’t comment on the war. I suspect nobody doing so really knows what’s going on, what has been discussed in the back rooms and what has been done under the cover of night for the last few years.

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